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Is this a pitcher ...MORIAGE and it's value ?

CallBob
16 years ago
AI Appraisal
Description The pictures say it all, there was no history given . It is unsigned . There are 3 slot holes at the top on 1 side and 2 slot holes on the other side .
Category Ceramics and Porcelains
Medium Fired Clay ?
Distinguishing marks None
Condition Mint
Size and dimensions of this item Max. 8 inches high Max. 7 inches wide
Date Period Don't know
Weight 1 pound and 7 ounces
History Ballston Spa , New York
Price Paid (If known) Auction $40.00
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I feel comfortable enough telling you I'm stumped with just the photos supplied. In the past I have researched pieces that were made in pottery classes in the 70's where the local artist used blanks and then subsequently fired the piece as part of the class. Due to the serendipity of the pieces and the circulation of pieces such as those items it took awhile to realize what they were. It's an interesting piece and sometimes I buy on instinct. I have a china closet at home filled with glass awaiting an invitation to dinner of an expert on glass, most of the items bought on "instinct" which means that it should be an interesting evening as I get the results of some of those buys. I'm pretty consistent in sticking to responses where I have a high certainty. One of the reasons why I'm fascinated with antiques is that I'm constantly learning. But a local art shop or studio who have done impressive post blank work have in the past created mysteries that only with time were solved or abandoned. Interestingly enough I'm more curious about the pieces that I don't understand and know than the ones that I do which are readily identified and valuable... Wish I could have been of more help.

I just had to come and see what all the fuss was about ;~) It's Nippon Moriage, not a very good one, and probably had a paper or foil label, hence no marks. Here's some comparables: http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/1789621 http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/6231689 http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/355752 http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/723744 http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/4795228 http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/1408514 http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5272464 http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/723625 Lovejoy

I just had to come and see what all the fuss was about ;~) "It's Nippon Moriage, not a very good one, and probably had a paper or foil label, hence no marks." Just as posible that the piece was made from a slip mold http://www.boothemold.com/Mold/SiteMoldMenu.htm Ever wonder where the reproductions of many pieces of pottery come from? In today's world you can take any piece and send it for 3D analysis, have a slip mold made overnight, hire inexpensive labor to paint, and claim that the piece is "anything." Seriously with CAD/CAM and computers overnight is not an exageration. Order before you go to sleep and have it when you wake up. http://www.xpress3d.com/?src=gprototype-mold Roseville Pottery Reproductions, McCoy Reproductions, and all the other "unmarked pieces" out there. Here is the cost of a slip mold. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CERAMIC-SLIP-MOULD-MOULDS-MOLD-GRAPE-CLUSTER-PITCHER_W0QQitemZ190333407940QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Crafts_Ceramic_PotteryMaking_SM?hash=item2c50c152c4&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262 On unmarked grape pitcher alone.. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=grape+cluster+pitcher+%22unmarked%22&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi= Well at least nobody is claiming that George Washington drank from it. But of course that is possible also... Really when you consider the Jappanese tradition of pottery and ceramics it is not the norm for them to not mark their pieces. There wasn't a fuss I just felt comfortable saying I didn't know.

Maybe your gut is just hungry ;-) That paper on the bottom is just the auction lot #......i show it so that everyone can see the accumulated wear on the bottom ridges , you just don't find that on " OFF " pieces . I think that also the fact that it is NOT signed is a good indicator ......my tummy's not helping me out at all ;-)

It is the beak and the style of the piece that does not remind me of moriage. Typically oriental pieces are very light in design. As an example.. early Schönwald though definetly bavarian in design is distinct in that it is more rugged than the contemporary pieces. I mean that unless you can substantiate why the piece is more rugged than typical pieces of that period it is difficult with an unmarked piece to do so. http://www.schoenwald.com/eng/unternehmen/historie.htm?nav=20&l=E&depth=0 I as an example have As an example: http://www.kovels.com/priceguide/kovels_moriage/1997/pitcher/1481837.html or http://www.kovels.com/priceguide/kovels_moriage/ Where in the pieces illustrated do you see the beak and design that your piece has? Now I made no offer, no my tummy isn't growling, and no I'm not interested in the piece. Because of the design of the piece I go back to my original assumption that it is Pate-Sur-Pate http://www.antiqforum.com/pate_sur_pate_minton_albion_birks.html That my friend was a kindness.. but if you prefer it to be dragonware well so be it.. but that would be one unusual piece as unmarked dragonware... and also the profile of the piece and beak doesn't fit that genre of pieces. That is not to say that anyone is the definitive expert: As an example I have an entire set of bavaria similar to this: http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Schonwald-Bread-Plates-US-Zone-Butterfly-Germany-40s_W0QQitemZ140058010039QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item209c1ba1b7&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 And... "Porzellanfabrik Schönwald" from the town of Schönwald in Bavaria; writing reads 'Alt Schönwald' (Old Schönwald). Mark is rated "problematic" due to misleading information and/or incorrect depiction by both Roentgen and Kovels. Facts are: first registration was at the RWZR under #151709 on October 25th 1911, it was refreshed 1931. However the version you have (three digit decoration ID under mark) was introduced after RWZR registration #513071 on June 17h 1939; it was used in that form until 1950. And lets be succinct it is beautiful bavarian pieces pre 1932 but explicitly designed to be more rugged as to be problematic for experts.. But again.. unless you get the facts.. unless you have this thing slam dunk identified, it just doesn't ring moriage

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